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http://www.democraticunderground.com = 911 FALSE OPPOSITION (check out the truth for yourself).
Posted by: TheTruth (IP Logged)
Date: June 29, 2004 06:38PM

http://www.democraticunderground.com = 911 FALSE OPPOSITION
(check out the truth for yourself).


A false opposition is a group of people pretending to oppose those to whom they owe their allegiance (in this instance they back those who perpetrated 911, pretending to host 911 investigators, pretending to support those critical of a 911 story of their own making).


One of the main purposes of the false opposition is to point the dupes in the wrong direction.
Another purpose of the false opposition is to hide the existence of any evidence that gives away the truth of the matter.
Some of the less skillful disinformation groups just resort to massive and quite blatant censorship of opposing views.
A good example is www.democraticunderground.com

I could tell you many tales of blatant censorship by www.democraticunderground.com but I will give the interested reader more than just my word for it.

Cut and paste the following article and post it at www.democraticunderground.com and see what happens.


[ center][font color=blue size=5]Evidence of Explosives In The Twin Tower Collapses.[/font][ /center]
The evidence that the World Trade Center towers were demolished is compelling. Photographs of explosives detonating during the collapse of both the north and south towers are presented below. They are taken from two (publicly available) videos of the collapses. Each frame has been numbered by its position in the video. Both videos were filmed at 30 frames per second, so an eight frame interval covers about one quarter of a second.

The most remarkable aspect of the World Trade Center towers demolition, is that such obvious evidence of the use of explosives, has been completely ignored by the media. This refusal to report the obvious, clearly illustrates that the "free press" is free, only in name, and anything but free in reality.

That such obvious evidence of explosives has remained "hidden in full view" approaches the unbelievable.

[ center][font color=blue size=5]The South Tower.[/font][ /center]
The video evidence that the World Trade Center towers were demolished is indeed compelling. Consider the following frames which show two distinct lines of explosives detonating across the east face of the south tower.

[ center]http://thunderbay.indymedia.org/uploads/lines-explosives.jpg[ /center]

Link to larger image: thunderbay.indymedia.org/uploads/lines-explosives-big.jpg

Frame 147 shows a row of explosives detonating right across the east face at the 79th floor.
Frame 203 shows a row of explosives detonating right across the east face at the 75th floor.

The middle photos show the dust cloud from the explosions outlined in red.

The end photos show the relative positions of the two lines of dust and debris.

It has been claimed that the explosions of dust that span the east face of the tower, were caused by air being forced from the windows as the floors above collapsed. This explanation is obviously incorrect. If it was correct, such lines of dust would have been expelled from the windows of each floor in succession. That is, we would have seen such lines of dust expelled from floors 79, 78, 77, 76 and 75 in succession, but what we observe is an explosion of dust at floor 79, no new clouds of dust for a few floors, then another (larger) explosion of dust at floor 75.

The second line of explosives is much more powerful than the first, but the dust cloud from the first line of explosives, and the dust and debris from the upper floor collapse, initially obscure this.

The dust due to the visible explosions is a whitish grey. The dust from the demolition of the upper section (which is disintegrating as it falls) is dark grey. One wonders what caused this difference.

[ center]http://thunderbay.indymedia.org/uploads/top-disintergrates.jpg[ /center]

Link to larger image: thunderbay.indymedia.org/uploads/top-disintergrates-big.jpg

In the video, it is clear that the top 30 or so floors have snapped off and are toppling eastward. In the above frames, we follow the north-east corner of the tower as this 30 floor section descends. Using the north-east corner as a reference, I have outlined in red, the progress of this 30 floor section as it descends.

The first thing to note, is that the top section itself must be disintegrating, otherwise (as the above frames show) the top section would have extended far into parts of the building that are clearly, as yet, unaffected by the collapse.

But what could possibly cause the top section to disintegrate? And in fact, what could possibly cause the top section to almost entirely disintegrate, before the lower section begins to collapse?

You have to realize that most of the top section had not been affected by the aircraft strike or fires and was thus still the same immensely strong structure that had supported the building for some 30 years. If this section was going to fall at all, this section would fall as one piece (like a tree in the forest). Unless, of course, this section had been laced with explosives and was undergoing a controlled demolition of its own, just a few moments before the lower part of the building was demolished.

[ center]http://thunderbay.indymedia.org/uploads/south-3x6.jpg[ /center]

Link to larger image: thunderbay.indymedia.org/uploads/south-3x6-big.jpg

[ center][font color=blue size=5]The North Tower.[/font][ /center]

[ center]http://thunderbay.indymedia.org/uploads/041a.jpg[ /center]

Link to larger image: thunderbay.indymedia.org/uploads/041a-big.jpg

In the following set of frames showing the North Tower collapse, pay close attention to the horizontal explosions of dust and debris that occur just above the red line marked on the above photograph.

[ center]http://thunderbay.indymedia.org/uploads/north-3x6.jpg[ /center]

Link to larger image: thunderbay.indymedia.org/uploads/north-3x6-big.jpg

Once again, note that the second layer of explosions is much more powerful than the first and that the dust cloud from the first initially obscures that of the second. Also, note the large orange areas of hot gas from the explosions. Recall, that this was about two hours after the aircraft struck the building, so there would be essentially no flammable material left on the floors from which the flash emanates (as the fire would have already consumed it all).

Note that the horizontal explosions of dust on the leftmost side of the tower are already visible and expanding in the first frame. These continue their expansion through frame nine and subsequent frames. Similarly, explosions of dust become apparent across the entire width of both (visible) faces of the tower, however, between frames 001 and 009 the television mast on top of the tower makes no downward movement at all. This shows that the horizontal explosions of dust and debris precede the collapse and thus cannot be the cause of it (in fact, it is these explosions that initiate the collapse).

[ center]http://thunderbay.indymedia.org/uploads/1-9.gif[ /center]

That the horizontal explosions of dust precede the collapse is vividly expressed by the above animated graphic which alternates the first and ninth frames. This clearly shows that the explosions of dust were not caused by air being forced from the windows as the floors above collapsed (this was a ridiculous assertion anyway).

Since the visible evidence points to only two layers of explosives per tower, one has to conclude that the aircraft were directed to hit particular floors (possibly by homing beacons in the towers). This would also explain the total lack of solid evidence for the "Arab hijackers" hypothesis (there was however, a quantity of laughable, obviously manufactured evidence, indicating that this was an attempt to frame the Arabs).

Of course the visible explosions (or at least their dust clouds) are only part of the story, as the main weight supporting columns in the central core also had to be weakened before the towers would collapse in the way they did. But what is visible, is more than enough evidence, to conclude that the towers were deliberately demolished.

[ center]http://thunderbay.indymedia.org/uploads/1-67.gif[ /center]

The above animated graphic alternates the first and 67th frames. It shows a classic controlled demolition of a 12 story building (the top 12 stories of the North Tower). Strange how the roofline collapses so evenly, I guess, that all the central core columns and all the perimeter wall columns collapsed simultaneously. Some coincidence eh?

The first line of explosives detonated across the 98th floor (where the collapse began). The second line of detonations occurred across the 92nd floor (just above the lower red line) with large flashes of hot gas from the explosions, clearly visible. Initially, the second line's detonation is obscured by the dust cloud of the first. However, being much more powerful detonations, the second line's dust cloud quickly bursts into view.

A close look at the video/photos shows that the collapse begins at the 98th floor, then the 99th floor collapses onto the 98th, then the 100th floor collapses onto the 98th, then the 101th floor collapses onto the 98th, then the 102th floor collapses onto the 98th, etc until the second line of detonations initiates the final collapse. So once again, we have the disintegration of the tower above the impact floors, before the collapse of the tower below the impact floors.

Interestingly, this observation disproves the so called pancake theory, where one floor collapses onto the next lower floor, causing that floor to also collapse (not that the pancake theory made any sense anyway). Here, what we see is 5 or 6 floors in a row, all falling onto the 98th floor, which does not collapse (until the second line of explosives are detonated, taking out its support). The pancake theory would have the 98th floor collapsing onto the 97th, causing that to collapse onto the 96th, causing that to collapse onto the 95th, etc.

These very strange circumstances, mentioned above, have a very simple explanation: The twin towers were deliberately demolished. Occam's razor, suggests that the simplest explanation, a deliberate demolition, is probably also the correct explanation.

[link:la.indymedia.org/uploads/north-tower-collapse.avi|The original north tower collapse video can be found here (0.8 MB).]
[link:la.indymedia.org/uploads/south-tower-collapse.avi|The original south tower collapse video can be found here (1.7 MB).]
[link:la.indymedia.org/uploads/north-tower.gif|An animated-gif from the video of the north tower collapse can be found here (0.9 MB).]
[link:la.indymedia.org/uploads/south-tower.gif|An animated-gif from the video of the south tower collapse can be found here (2.2 MB).]

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[font color=blue size=5]LIST OF ARTICLES from members.fortunecity.com/911/[/font]

[link:guardian.150m.com/index.html|Click here if you have a dialup connection (smaller images, faster downloads).]

[font color=red size=4]September the Eleventh 2001.[/font]

[font color=blue size=4]The World Trade Center.[/font]

[link:members.fortunecity.com/911/wtc/tower-explosions.htm|Evidence of Explosives in the World Trade Center Towers collapse] (0.7 MB).
[link:members.fortunecity.com/911/wtc/nova.htm|Why did the World Trade Center Towers Fall? A Review of Thomas Eagar's (of MIT) Article] (0.7 MB).
[link:members.fortunecity.com/911/wtc/clifton.htm|Collapse of the World Trade Center Towers. A Review of Charles Clifton's Article] (0.7 MB).
[link:members.fortunecity.com/911/wtc/how-hot.htm|The Jet Fuel; How hot did it heat the World Trade Center?]
[link:members.fortunecity.com/911/wtc/proof.htm|Proof the Twin Towers were Deliberately Demolished.]
[link:members.fortunecity.com/911/wtc/WTC7-short.htm|The FEMA Report into the World Trade Center 7 Collapse is a Total Joke.]
[link:members.fortunecity.com/911/wtc/godfrey.htm|Multi-Storey Buildings in Steel: The World Trade Center] (0.4 MB).
[link:members.fortunecity.com/911/wtc/eng-news-record.htm|Some Articles from Engineering News Record] (0.8 MB).
[link:members.fortunecity.com/911/wtc/wtc-demolition.htm|Comments on the World Trade Center Demolition] (0.4 MB).
[link:members.fortunecity.com/911/wtc/wtc-microsoft.htm|Microsoft Software used to simulate the crash of a Boeing 747 into the World Trade Center.]
[link:members.fortunecity.com/911/wtc/astaneh-wtc.htm|University of California, Berkeley Professor, Abolhassan Astaneh-Asl Testifies.]
[link:members.fortunecity.com/911/wtc/seven/fake-explosion.htm|The World Trade Center 7 Explosion Myth.]
[link:members.fortunecity.com/911/september-eleven/insurance-scam.htm|The World Trade Center Towers collapse as an Enormous Insurance Scam.]
[link:members.fortunecity.com/911/hufschmid/PainfulQuestions_1.htm|What went wrong with the investigation? By Eric Hufschmid (with comment).]
[link:members.fortunecity.com/911/sixty-state-street/construction.htm|Sixty State Street and the World Trade Center towers: A Comparison] (0.7 MB).
[link:members.fortunecity.com/911/wtc/thermite.htm|Was Thermite used to Melt Sections of the World Trade Center Core Columns?]
[link:members.fortunecity.com/911/wtc/dust-cloud.htm|Calculations Say at Least 14 Tons of High Explosive Needed to Bring Down Each Tower.]

[font color=blue size=4]The Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) Reports on the World Trade Center disaster.[/font]

[link:members.fortunecity.com/911/wtc/WTC_toc.htm|Table Of Contents for the FEMA World Trade Center Report.]
[link:members.fortunecity.com/911/wtc/WTC_ch1.htm|Chapter 1 of the FEMA WTC Report: Introduction (with comment)] (0.9 MB).
[link:members.fortunecity.com/911/wtc/WTC_ch2.htm|Chapter 2 of the FEMA WTC Report: The Twin Towers (with comment)] (2.2 MB).
[link:members.fortunecity.com/911/wtc/WTC_ch3.htm|Chapter 3 of the FEMA WTC Report: WTC 3] (0.4 MB).
[link:members.fortunecity.com/911/wtc/WTC_ch4.htm|Chapter 4 of the FEMA WTC Report: WTC 4, 5, and 6] (1.2 MB).
[link:members.fortunecity.com/911/wtc/WTC_ch5.htm|Chapter 5 of the FEMA WTC Report: World Trade Center Seven (with comment)] (1.3 MB).
[link:members.fortunecity.com/911/wtc/WTC_ch6.htm|Chapter 6 of the FEMA WTC Report: Bankers Trust Building] (0.6 MB).
[link:members.fortunecity.com/911/wtc/WTC_ch7.htm|Chapter 7 of the FEMA WTC Report: Peripheral Buildings] (0.8 MB).
[link:members.fortunecity.com/911/wtc/WTC_apndxA.htm|Appendix A of the FEMA WTC Report: Overview of Fire Protection in Buildings] (0.5 MB).
[link:members.fortunecity.com/911/wtc/WTC_apndxB.htm|Appendix B of the FEMA WTC Report: Structural Steel and Steel Connections] (0.6 MB).
[link:members.fortunecity.com/911/wtc/WTC_apndxD.htm|Appendix D of the FEMA WTC Report: WTC Steel Data Collection] (0.8 MB).
[link:www.house.gov/science/hot/wtc/wtcreport.htm|The FEMA World Trade Center Collection in PDF-document format.]
[link:cooperativeresearch.org/phorum5/read.php?3,136|The FEMA World Trade Center Collection. Alternate location (smaller images, faster downloads).]

[font color=blue size=4]The Fires.[/font]

[link:members.fortunecity.com/911/fire/main.htm|Research Results from the Cardington Test Fires (text only).]
[link:members.fortunecity.com/911/fire/SCI.htm|A New Approach to Multi-Storey Steel Framed Buildings Fire and Steel Construction] (0.8 MB).
[link:members.fortunecity.com/911/fire/SLamont.htm|The Behaviour of Multi-storey Composite Steel Framed Structures in Response to Compartment Fires] (1.0 MB).
[link:members.fortunecity.com/911/fire/cardington.htm|The Cardington Tests and the Broadgate Fire.]
[link:members.fortunecity.com/911/wtc/firefighters.htm|Tapes Tell of Firefighters Courage at WTC.]
[link:members.fortunecity.com/911/fire/technicalreports.html|The Cardington Reports in PDF-document format.]

[font color=blue size=4]The Pentagon.[/font]

[link:members.fortunecity.com/911/pentagon/what-hit-it.htm|A Detailed Analysis of whether or not a Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon] (1.5 MB).
[link:members.fortunecity.com/911/pentagon/explosion.htm|Photos of Flight 77 crashing into the Pentagon are a Complete and Utter Fabrication] (0.5 MB).
[link:members.fortunecity.com/911/pentagon/pentagon-details.htm|The Pentagon Problem in a Nutshell.]
[link:members.fortunecity.com/911/pentagon/bijlmer/bijlmer.htm|The Bijlmer Crash - Joe Vialls - Caught in a Lie] (0.5 MB).
[link:members.fortunecity.com/911/pentagon/wrong.htm|Carol A. Valentine Article Completely Wrong.]
[link:members.fortunecity.com/911/pentagon/oddity.htm|The Strange Case of the Sports Utility Vehicle at the Pentagon.]
[link:members.fortunecity.com/911/pentagon/size.htm|How the Size of the Plane in the "Explosion" Photo was Calculated.]
[link:members.fortunecity.com/911/pentagon/essence-of-problem.htm|The Essence of the Problem.]
[link:members.fortunecity.com/911/pentagon/pentagon-retrofit.htm|Article on the Pentagon Retrofit.]

[font color=blue size=4]The Response, Or Rather, Lack Of It.[/font]

[link:members.fortunecity.com/911/september-eleven/ang-mission.htm|District of Columbia Air National Guard Mission And Vision Statement.]
[link:members.fortunecity.com/911/september-eleven/atlan_18.htm|New Jersey Air National Guard Mission Statement.]
[link:members.fortunecity.com/911/september-eleven/ang-example.htm|An example of Air National Guard efficency.]
[link:members.fortunecity.com/911/september-eleven/norad.htm|Where was NORAD on September Eleven?]

[font color=blue size=4]Other.[/font]

[link:www.public-action.com/911/suit.html|Urgent message to Ellen Mariani: Get a new lawyer. Fire Philip Berg.]
[link:members.fortunecity.com/911/september-eleven/conspiracy-theory.htm|The Most Outrageous Conspiracy Theory Of Them All.]
[link:members.fortunecity.com/911/september-eleven/hijackers-alive.htm|Many 9-11 "Hijackers" are Still Alive and Well.]
[link:members.fortunecity.com/911/september-eleven/arabs-not-to-blame.htm|Evidence that the Arabs are Not to blame for the WTC attack.]
[link:misternet.org/nerdcities/STF/stranger-than-fiction.htm|Stranger Than Fiction] (from www.whatreallyhappened.com).
[link:members.fortunecity.com/911/hufschmid/index.html|Collection of Eric Hufschmid's early articles.]
[link:members.fortunecity.com/911/september-eleven/israelis-arrested-9-11.htm|Israelis arrested on suspicion of 9-11 involvement.]
[link:members.fortunecity.com/911/september-eleven/unanswered-9-11.htm|Sept 11th - Unanswered Questions By MalcontentX] (0.3 MB).
[link:members.fortunecity.com/911/wtc/seismic/WTC_LDEO_KIM.htm|Seismic Waves Generated by Aircraft Impacts and Building Collapses at the WTC] (0.3 MB).
[link:members.fortunecity.com/911/wtc/seismic/WTC_PENT_KIM.htm|Seismic Observations During the September 11, 2001, Terrorist Attack] (0.5 MB).
[link:members.fortunecity.com/911/september-eleven/cell-phones.htm|Investigation shows Cellphone Calls from 9-11 "Hijacked" Planes are next to Impossible]
[link:members.fortunecity.com/911/september-eleven/freedman.htm|Benjamin Freedman Predicted the Present Push for WWW III in 1961, prescient eh?]

[font color=red size=4 size=4]Palestine (Now Known As Israel).[/font]

[link:members.fortunecity.com/911/palestine/facts.htm|Some Facts About Palestine.]
[link:members.fortunecity.com/911/palestine/stolen-land.htm|Listing and Map of Land Ownership in Palestine in 1947.]
[link:members.fortunecity.com/911/palestine/destroyed-towns.htm|Listing and Map of Towns and Villages Ethnically Cleansed/Destroyed by the Jews.]
[link:members.fortunecity.com/911/palestine/cleansed-towns.htm|More on the Towns and Villages Ethnically Cleansed/Destroyed by the Jews] (0.5 MB).
[link:members.fortunecity.com/911/palestine/conquest-timeline.htm|Time line of the Israeli aggression against the Palestinians in the 1948 war.]
[link:members.fortunecity.com/911/palestine/israeli-massacres.htm|Jewish/Israeli massacres of Palestinians and Jewish Terrorism in general.]
[link:members.fortunecity.com/911/palestine/some-wars.htm|Brief articles on the 1948, 1956 and 1967 wars started by Israel.]
[link:members.fortunecity.com/911/palestine/civil-war.htm|Brief article on the Israeli attempt to ignite a civil war in Lebanon.]
[link:members.fortunecity.com/911/palestine/arafat-elections.htm|Arafat calls for democratic elections in the United States.]
[link:members.fortunecity.com/911/palestine/us-aid-to-israel.htm|The Amazing Cost of Israel to the United States]
[link:members.fortunecity.com/911/palestine/apartheid-israeli-style.htm|America should fight minorities and aliens the way Israel does!]
[link:members.fortunecity.com/911/palestine/uss-liberty.htm|The Day Israel Deliberately Killed 34 American Sailors.]
[link:members.fortunecity.com/911/palestine/israeli-apartheid.htm|Brief article on Israeli apartheid.]
[link:members.fortunecity.com/911/palestine/israeli-victory.htm|Israel wins Huge Victory.]
[link:members.fortunecity.com/911/palestine/democracy.htm|Is Israel a Democracy?]
[link:members.fortunecity.com/911/palestine/war-criminals.htm|Some Israeli War Criminals.]
[link:members.fortunecity.com/911/palestine/sharon.htm|Some articles on the War Criminal Sharon.]
[link:members.fortunecity.com/911/palestine/sharon-crime-history.htm|The War Criminal Sharon. The Long Version.]
[link:members.fortunecity.com/911/palestine/california.htm|The Chinese claim California as a Confucian Homeland.]
[link:members.fortunecity.com/911/palestine/bomb-isreal.htm|Time to Bomb Israel for its Development and Deployment of Weapons of Mass Destruction.]
[link:members.fortunecity.com/911/palestine/new-york.htm|God gave the Jews New York.]
[link:members.fortunecity.com/911/palestine/genocidal-god.htm|The Genocidal God of the Jews.]
[link:members.fortunecity.com/911/palestine/zionist-fairy-tales.htm|Some Zionist Fairy Tales.]
[link:members.fortunecity.com/911/palestine/israel-mugs-pals.htm|Israel mugs the Palestinians.]
[link:members.fortunecity.com/911/palestine/moslem-claim.htm|Muslims base their claim to Palestine on History.]
[link:members.fortunecity.com/911/palestine/jewish-terrorism.htm|Jewish Terrorism.]
[link:members.fortunecity.com/911/palestine/terror-against-british.htm|Jewish Terrorism targeting the British.]
[link:members.fortunecity.com/911/palestine/resources.htm|Online Books about Palestine and the Jews.]
[link:members.fortunecity.com/911/palestine/what-u-can-do.htm|What you can do if you care.]
[link:members.fortunecity.com/911/palestine/jews-attack.htm|Jews Attack Christianity.]

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You may have to remove the spaces in the [ center] [/center ] tags.

In the past this particular article has been deleted. I hope they delete it for you and prove my point. Of course, I am even happier if they do not delete it. Love these no-lose situations.

Now tell me why they would delete such an article unless they were false opposition.

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Re: http://www.democraticunderground.com = 911 FALSE OPPOSITION (check out the truth for yourself).
Posted by: ecco (IP Logged)
Date: June 30, 2004 12:02AM

so, I went to www.democraticunderground.com and didn't find anything out of the ordinary. I'm gonna need more proof....

and why are your posts so long? it makes it very hard and irratating to read. try to make em shorter if you can.

and, as I asked in another thread, why are the majority of your sources not credible?

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